GT had a decent plot line, it wasn't as terrible as people make it out to be, but it doesn't really compare to DB or DBZ in terms of epicness. 537073746. The 80's manga was canon because it was drawn by him. Like, Trunks comes from a different timeline, but the same universe. The idea that Toriyama is involved = CANON! BlueMew1234 (talk) 17:30, May 27, 2014 (UTC)Bluemew1234. But keeping perspective, it's not as bad as Goku being a whiny emo kid that goes to highschool, it's not the worst thing ever. Vegeta even achieves  超サイヤ人 transformation-state due to the thought that a 'low-level piece of trash' could ever surpass him.. xD. The subs made GT much better for me, almost none of the original content from the J version of GT was kept in the english dub and some of it was quite funny. He may be seen as the Author in credits, that is because he created the Dragon Ball manga. Dragon Ball GT has been cancelled out canon when Battle of Gods and Resurrection 'F' came out (which are canon). According to the dictionarry, Canon is "the conceptual material accepted as "official" ". Shakuran13 21:44, August 20, 2011 (UTC), Of course GT has the least amount of inconsistencies. But then again, if he could use his SSJG powers in SSJ, why did he go SSJ3? In Battle of Gods and Resurrection 'F', they are just children instead of old hags in the GT series. GT is canon, but it's one of those situations where Toriyama was done with the series, but tried to force himself to do more. Star Wars approches canon in a similar fashion, with the films as one canon, books, games, comics and the like as a secondary canon, and fan works as a seperate canon removed from the other two. ..saying GT is ‘canon’ is basically saying that the anime fillers, along with the specials + movies, are also ‘canon’.. [ http://25.media.tumblr.com/2667b695503fe38595077dd7c090a2ad/tumblr_ml9r6na6Vt1qfp0n5o1_1280.jpg ], http://25.media.tumblr.com/9fe8e074feea2eb146a69aa23a9bab7f/tumblr_mkt498YZp81qfp0n5o1_1280.jpg. It wasn't a retcon because the source never gave Goku's full backstory. Vegeta just got his ass kicked whenever he fought. SSBE and SSBKK aren't in anything Toriyama has done. Lets Do it For The Love of Anime & Especially ! Super Dragon Ball Heroes: Universe Mission!! Ever wonder What Are Your Thoughts? Neither are canon. Because of DBO, which Akira Toriyama did work on. If anything it should be considered a sidestory/what if and nothing more. So yes, you can say it isn't canon, that doesn't necessarily mean it is completely ruled out, though most likely it is. I'm a DBZ fan, and to me the creators of GT weren't DBZ fans, or else they were only Goku fans, because they give all the attention to Goku, they never give a single other character a meaningful fight. And at the end, Goku didn't need to go Super Saiyan God SS because he didn't need the form to fight Uub. Super Dragon Ball Heroes: Dark Demon Realm Mission! The funimation episode is not in my mind, they twisted it to their own creation, leaving the whole plot in a mess. In the new movie, it is revealed that there are 12 universes. However, Akira Toriyama approved of the series and even provided some designs for it. Dragon Ball GT may seem to be like a main series, but it is not actually main. The creator is credited as the author in the anime’s credits, and Toriyama even drew sketches for the show to promote its biggest moments. Anime Universe - Filler, and GT both "happen". Toriyama worked on Dragonball Online, which, applying your logic, means it is canon. It would be like saying that all Star Trek after Gene Roddenberry died isn't canon, which ... and therefore part of that story. The events that happened leading to DBO give no heed to the events of GT, and since the manga also gives no heed to the story of GT (since there was no Manga for it), there are two sources saying GT plainly doesn't exist. GT is just as canon as the movies. Evolve 20 (talk) 17:48, July 9, 2013 (UTC). In GT he does everything. Now, it is up for fans to decide whether they’ll add it to their personal canon or not. I watched GT in the english dub, but also with english subtitles from the japanese version and I couldn't believe how different the dub was from the subs. He must be from the new movie. No room for interpretation. Though a loud minority of fans seem to think it is not part of the series, this is not actually the case. Two sources to one, to me that's enough proof to say the events are not canon. The Daizenshuu guide series clarifies that a tail will grow back if the Saiyan is in immediate danger, as we saw with Goku in Dragon Ball.The guide books were originally printed in 1995, with an updated, more condensed version released in 2013. I don't think who created it really has anything to do with it's level of canon. The inconsistencies usually come from filler vs story, for example Master Roshi's young appearance is contradicted between story and filler, or in DBZ when Tien, Yamucha, Kuririn, and Chaozu were sent back in time to fight Saiyans from a 100 years ago, that directly contradicts the story of the Saiyan war (as shown on the list you posted). Akira Toriyama has designed the most of characters and designs of DB online. (with Baby as the exception, even though most of the battle was on a planet and still unbelievable). Whereas others find it so completely alien and unrelatable that it's an insult to behold, like a slap in the face. GT is,canon to the anime even I personally think it is a continuation to dbz anime and manga no matter what others say. As if Dragon Ball werent a fantasy. People will also say: Super Saiyan God or Super Saiyan God SS aren't mentioned in Dragon Ball Z. According to the dictionarry, Canon is "the conceptual material accepted as "official" ". SSJ God is just as canon as SSJ4 which really boils down to whether or not if you want it to be in your own little world. Therefore, it would have literally millions of protagonists solving the same story, making every single one of those a what-if. Super Saiyan 4 is a flashy sight, but there’s still a lot about it that goes misunderstood. Hit me up on Twitter @MeganPetersCB to let me know and talk all things anime! Toriyama didn't even write it. They both feature a Saiyan form called Super Saiyan God which GT does not mention or seen. Because Toriyama orversaw and DESIGNED GT, it is completely canon. It is probably part of the GT timeline. >> Anonymous 12/20/20(Sun)10:35:48 No. Are you a fan of Dragon Ball GT or does the series get under your nerves? It doesn't work. Dragon Ball GT isn’t the most popular addition to the franchise, but its introduction of Super Saiyan 4 is a major turning point to the series. Bardock obtains a tremendous amount of energy, formed into waves flowing through his body, and with his might, he turns into the almighty Super Saiyan. EDIT: Akira Toriyama has come out and said, in the light of Battle of the Gods realease, that GT is NOT cannon. We only received the title, and so weren’t sure what it meant,” the producer revealed. I still like to think that GT is canon. It's nowhere close to DBZ, though. Sandubadear (talk) 01:23, March 25, 2013 (UTC). Super happens during the ten year time skip between the end of Majin Buu and the last episode of DBZ. & in the manga/canon "Dragon Ball: Episode of Bardock", Bardock transfoms into a  超サイヤ人 after his newly found friend Berry leaps forward, protecting Bardock from Chilled's finishing blow, in an act of courage to save him. No. of 8; You're browsing the GameFAQs Message Boards as a guest. When the Earth was restored and only good people were allowed to be restored along with it (Dende made the wish with the Namekian Dragon Balls), how did Pilaf survive that? Post New Message; First; Previous; Page . His heart just wasn't in it anymore, that's really what it came down to IMO. Doesn't matter if he drew some concepts or not. And neither of them can fit into the timeline of the DBZ manga or the series. It would be the equivilant of a "Straight-to-Video" Movie from a comic (IE Batman). Had Goten, Trunks and especially Gohan (who should have still had the Elder Kai's power, but was able to go super saiyan in GT instead) who was the strongest character at the end of the Cell games and technically, was also the strongest at the end of DBZ could be come so weak and apparently his Ultimate form was forgotten about. GT is a side story, it happened but it didn't really matter since the story really ended with the buu saga, Gt is like an epilogue if you will. Isn't it possible that DBGT is in an alternate universe or if the movie setting IS in an alternate universe. Let's Give This Video OVER 500 Likes! “That’s right. Wouldn't that mean most of DBZ isn't canon? this game is honestly fanservice. 'Just a minor correction, 'Raditz would not have been defeated if it wasn't for Gohan's attack that weakened Raditz. It is also possible that the Print spooler in your system, i.e., the computer, isn’t working correctly. What was put out there was whatever they perceived the fans wanted. Using that logic, all of Z is non-canon due to Garlic Jr. appearing. Goten, Trunks and Gohan should have played more of a role. Unlike super he's writing super so that makes it canon. He only supervised it and drew the characters. Therefore, there is a need to fix it. future. Was Cooler in the manga or even the anime series? My point is, if GT includes a character that's unarguably non-canon, then it is very likely non-canon itself. The original creater made the series, so Yes. Also somethin else that should be looked at is Emperor Pilaf and his gang. no, Dragon Ball GT is not 'canon'.. do people even realize that Toei Animation loved Dragon Ball Z so much that they decided to continue the series?.. Not documenting Super at all in articles in favor of the movies isn't an option either, because that contradicts the wiki's purpose. Because Battle of Gods was awesome and GT wasn't. Does not make sense. ]], Yes it is if you go by the Anime but if you go by the manga then no it's not.Supremegogeta 19:43, August 20, 2011 (UTC), |Non-canon all the way! for a short second, Bardock's anger causes him to see Chilled as Frieza, remembering his betrayal of the Saiyan race, and he becomes determined to avenge his crew and his newly found friend. The whole movie basically takes a dumb all over GT making Gt non cannon. There is no comparison. GT has one major problem at the begginning of the series; how did Pilaf survive after the Buu Saga? I'm not saying that it isn't because I don't like it. The creator is credited as the author in the anime’s credits, and Toriyama even drew sketches for the show to promote its biggest moments. As much I might want it to be canon I just dont think it is based on other facts. Even still, Toriyama helped with the story and even drew the character designs for most of the characters, but he was tired of drawing DB and just gave guidance to the story. So Toriyama did have some connections to GT. As such, you can call it anime canon. Yes it does make it canon according to the creator Akira Toriyama. [with permission of the original manga Author, of course: Akira Toriyama :+], & concerning Son Gokū Jr. being a 'wussy cry-baby' in the GT special, "A Hero's Legacy" : http://osupaxkamehamehax808o.tumblr.com/post/48103659668/or3pt1l14nxk1ll4o-my-father-gohan-trained, [ http://osupaxkamehamehax808o.tumblr.com/post/48104101347/or3pt1l14nxk1ll4o-goku-jr-transforms-into-a :+], Gokū Jr. wasn't a 'wussy cry-baby'.. Gokū Jr. was a Pure Hearted loner[Kamehameha - Hawaiian for "the very lonely one/the one set-apart", a hermit is also someone who lives in solitude :+] who was frequently bullied.. he [at first] lacked the courage to stand up for what was right/did not believe in himself like his Great2x GrandFather, Son Gokū Sr... Gokū Jr. was relying on the power of the Dragon Balls to help his GrandMother Pan, also his newly made friend[once bully], Puck, rather than having courage & believing in himself.. at the end of the special, he realizes his Legacy, thanks to Gokū Sr., who reminds him that it was his Courage & Love that opened the right doors. Add to Favourites. Akira Toriyama was only an art consultant, and had nothing to do with the story. By Megan Peters Super is in the "canon" section because Toriyama stated that it was a "continuation" of his manga. * that..: Gokū, as seen as an infant in the DBZ special/movie, "Bardock, The Father of Gokū", was shown [literally] as a cry-baby throughout the entire special/movie?.. You have to remember that we technically haven't hit the last episode of Z yet. Yes it is canon. Dragon ball GT wasn't based off the manga. So, … I didn't find GT to be that bad mostly because I had the english subs, too. Giru was a nice touch, but they could have made Pan stronger. Not how much you like it. Dragon Ball GT can either be considered canon or non canon, it is up to you. Also, Dragon Ball GT does not have the criteria for lack of validity that Dragon Ball AF has http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Dragonball_af. I agree with you 100%. Even though the anime is heavily based off of the manga, there are enough differences between the two to almost consider them as different canons. however, Chilled notices this and shoots Berry with his Death Razor technique to eliminate the Plant for good. The original creater made the series, so Yes. Because Akira toriyama didn't make it. As for the show itself, Morishita said it was Toriyama who came up with its title. If his involvement in a project makes it part of the main canon, this creates problems as Online and GT contain/lack things that make the other impossible, the most glaring problems almost all include Majin Buu (the year Buu creates Mrs. Buu in DBO after the 30th World Martial Arts Tournament is also the same year Majuub throws a match against Mr. Satan at the 31st World Martial Arts Tournament (figure that out!!)). Because DBO takes the entire story from the Manga, and nothing from a movie or a non-manga piece of story. In a strict definition of canon, GT is not part of the normal DB canon because it is not based off of the original manga. Because GT wasn’t adapted from the manga of creator Akira Toriyama, however, it isn't considered canon. I dont really know what canon is but if it means applies to the storyline then no. Yes, Non Canon! & Bardock's RagingSoul was driven by the rage he felt towards Frieza & his 'elites', who set-up Bardock's crew, despite how loyal, & brave/courageous Bardock & his crew were to Frieza - taking on missions that baffled even Frieza's 'elites'. It wouldn`t be canon if just Akira is the scriptwriter! It's more of an alternate "what if?" Goten, Trunks and Gohan were all weaker which is probably the biggest tragedy of the entire series. Like the Garlic Jr. filler episodes, consider GT is a full filler just taking parts of the official source. Dragon Ball GT can fit into the timeline, but so can future Trunk's timeline, technically. BlueMew1234 (talk) 17:20, May 27, 2014 (UTC)Bluemew1234. By definition, it is not canon to the manga. And let’s not even get started on the mustache… 28 Baby Vegeta's Strength And Speed. If you say it's not, you are also saying that all the episode fillers in DB and DBZ are not canon, which would create several holes in the anime. In saying that, there is no saying that they could not have regathered the dragon balls and whished to be returned to their original age. DGT is canon in the ANIME timeline. I win. But Toriyama has stated that all of the Dragon Ball Franachise (This includes GT) has happened, just in another dimension. Until Akira Toriyama and/or Toei actually state GT not being "official" with the anime, this is what I'm sticking to. Though Akira didn`t answer to the GT question, I think that GT is 90% Full Non-Canon. There are plenty of inconsistencies throughout Dragon Ball’s run in regards to the strength and speed of characters. Maybe your Canon printer isn’t connected to the network, or perhaps the network speed is slow, that is why your Canon Printer is not responding. Akira Toriyama's Dragon Ball story may have finished in 1996 but, sensing there was still money to be made, a third anime series was put into development. I didn't like GT BUT I always DID like these character designs so it's kinda cool we get non-canon (GT) and canon mixed here. It is not cannon. It was crap compared to the others, but it was canon. Since he appears in GT, that puts GT in the same fictional universe as the movies, or at least Cooler's movies. GT is the present DB(Z) world/timeline/dimension[/the Seventh Universe].. all 'side-stories' are apart of the Seventh known Dragon Ball (Z/GT) Universe - but one must comprehend that DB(Z/GT) is multi-dimensional[/MultiUniversal], with various sub-alternate timelines/dimensions within the same Universe. The different anime adaptions all introduce non-canon elements or create plot holes not present in the original. - Page 5. Since a lot a DBZ has non-manga based footage, that would mean a good chunk of it is non-canon, by your standards? To the anime, however, is a different argument. This is just why I'm glad it's being ignored and treated like non-canon. "The power comes in response to a need, not a desire"— Gokū :+]  ~. I agree, though. It's not in the manga or the movies. it depends on how you look at it, as it is not always all about having a manga or not. GT is anime canon, it's author is Toriyama, so how can it not be canon? That would give DBGT problems storywise because if Goku could transform into a SSJG, why didn't he? For that reason, we should probably classify GT as a seperate canon instead of just plain non-canon. As it is not from the official source, it is from the Anime creators themselves and a lot of fans get confused about this because the writer of the script is Akira Toriyama, himself. With Super taking place within the ten-year time jump after the end of Dragon Ball Z, the possibility remains that GT could still be considered canon so here's an overview of the divisive series as we figure out if the events of Super contradict GT and seal … Akira Toriyama was asked by an interviewer that if GT is canon for the relativity of the plot ( like when Akira mentioned that Super Saiyan God would be more powerful than Super Saiyan 4 but in GT is told that Super Saiyan 4 has the highest power level of all Super Saiyan transformations, but Super Saiyan God is told to be the strongest). Inconsistancy has nothing to do with weather it is canon or not. It's impossible, as he's still clearly evil in GT and since he shouldn't exist, the series itself shouldn't exist. Some people watch and see no difference whatsoever between Z and GT. Yamcha626TalkContribs 02:29, January 10, 2012 (UTC), I like to think that it's canon to the anime and not the manga. In other words, there are two main DB universes. GT isn't canon, it's long been confirmed and accepted as such. Toriyama has had positive feelings towards the series, drawing many pictures for it, including his version of Super Saiyan 4 for the Dragon Box GT. of course it's canon,it's not in the manga because when dbz anime finished they just started do the gt. Having Toriyama come out and say what's "canon" would not be a very good idea. Technically, Dragon Ball Super sits between the Z and GT series, but has been sure to include several pieces of continuity from … “We thought maybe it was taken from GT cars, and got out our dictionaries. And although it could be canon to the anime, it has some stuff that contradicts dragon ball Z, and that's why some people don't consider canon at all.--Ssj3gogeta96 (talk) 18:46, January 5, 2013 (UTC)ssj3gogeta96. http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_Inconsistencies, http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Dragonball_af, http://25.media.tumblr.com/2667b695503fe38595077dd7c090a2ad/tumblr_ml9r6na6Vt1qfp0n5o1_1280.jpg, http://osupaxkamehamehax808o.tumblr.com/post/48103659668/or3pt1l14nxk1ll4o-my-father-gohan-trained, http://osupaxkamehamehax808o.tumblr.com/post/48104101347/or3pt1l14nxk1ll4o-goku-jr-transforms-into-a, https://dragonball.fandom.com/wiki/Forum:Is_Dragonball_GT_canon_or_not%3F?oldid=1369524. Nonetheless, DBGT had significant influence and input from Toriyama, who is credited as the author of the series and for the character designs. And so DBO is canonical with the manga. Hereby another proof that GT is canon is in the movie Dragon Ball Z: Battle Of Gods. 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